You stupid vegans!

Published on April 17, 2005 By only a shadow In Health & Medicine

What are the benefits of being a vegan? From what I can see, it is a very unhealthy “belief”.

Although… I do understand vegetarians who can eat the products from animals. They have a very healthy lifestyle, they get all the vitamins and nutrients their body needs… but might lack a little protein unless they eat beans constantly. They actually might be somewhat healthier than most people.

But with being a vegan, all you can eat/drink is broccoli and water… you can’t (or at least you shouldn’t) eat Altoids (contain gelatin from pigs) or honey (which obviously comes from bees). Then on top of that they can’t wear or use silk, down or leather. That's just stupid. Because there is no purpose!

Animals are to be eaten. We as humans are at the top of the food chain and it is natural to be the predators and eat the lower animals on the food chain. You don’t see cats as vegetarians walking around saying, “OOO!! A poor little mouse, but I can’t eat it because it is absolutely cruel to kill a poor defenseless creature.” And then watch it go and chew on some freaking grass. It is their natural instinct to be carnivores… and it is perfectly natural for humans to eat cows and pigs.

As animals having their own personality… I believe in that theory with all my heart. You can tell that no two animals are the same… maybe not by physical structure, but their personalities are all different. But eating the lower specimens on the food chain is necessary...

I don’t believe in torturing animals for pleasure…. But I do believe that the “murder” of animals is necessary from the survival of the human race.

It also helps maintain the animal populations if you disagree with everything else I've said.

~Shadow

Comments (Page 2)

Champas Socialist

on Apr 18, 2005

"Cut off the tail, cut off the Nose, and slap it on a bun."

OK Look, I haven't, and no other vegetarians on this post have preached to you about why you shouldn't eat meat, so I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals. I know it's a public forum but it seems to me that you are not being any better than the vegetarians who get up on their soapbox.

"Many vegans use it as a soapbox issue."

So do many meat eaters.. Which is weird. It'd be like someone who's getting an abortion going up to a pregnant person and telling them "You know you really ought to get an abortion. It's not even a living baby yet, it's just a foetus".

Ionolast

on Apr 19, 2005

I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals

If you're implying that it's wrong to kill any living creature, then you should stop walking and driving, because you step on and run over thousands of insects.

Ionolast

on Apr 19, 2005

I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals

If you're implying that it's wrong to kill any living creature, then you should stop walking and driving, because you step on and run over thousands of insects.

Zoomba

on Apr 19, 2005

so I find it really offensive when you start delighting in the killing of animals.

It was a joke... lighten up.

So do many meat eaters..

Being a meat eater, I have been on the receiving end of countless lectures as to how my eating a pork chop is wrong and evil. I have seen many campus protests where the protestors would yell and scream at people walking by if they had a hotdog or a burger in their hand. I don't think I've ever seen a Pro-Meat rally... There aren't organizations out there that run around telling you you're a bad person, that your immoral because you eat meat. Yet, we have PETA which goes nuts over everything regarding animals.

My reaction to evangelical vegans is because they get in my face. If you get in my face about the evils of meat, I'll toss back about how we're engineered to eat just about everything... including meat. Our bodies were built for it, we even used to have an organ devoted to processing raw meat. My favorite thing to shoot back with when someone's really getting on my case that it is simply unnatural and an abomination to God to swear off all animal products since that is how we're designed. That usually gets their blood pressure up a few notches.

I honestly don't believe either diet is right or wrong. What is wrong is when someone feels the need to preach to me about it.

Champas Socialist

on Apr 22, 2005

"My reaction to evangelical vegans is because they get in my face. If you get in my face about the evils of meat"

Which nobody has on this forum, yet you persist anyway in going on about your perceptions of the naturalness of meateating.

"I have been on the receiving end of countless lectures as to how my eating a pork chop is wrong and evil."

And I have been on the end of countless lectues about how God made us to eat meat, about how we evolved to eat meat, about how we need meat to survive, about how I'm missing out, about how that's what animals are for, about how that's what we breed them for etc. I keep telling them: I don't care! Eat your meat and leave me alone. But still they persist. But I'm impressed that you're not one of them.

"It was a joke... lighten up."

This is going to be highly offensive and I apologise but I have to make this point. There was this baby sitting in the womb the other day, just having a good ole time getting nutrition from Mum and then wwwuuup came the doctor down the hole, snipped the thing into a thousand little pieces. WWWWahayyyy You shoulda seen the tininess of those picees. Ha ha! Blood got on the doc's hands and he was running about saying "out out damned spot". iT was hilarious. Then we all had a big lauugh about eating the placenta. And then the doc started making little noises like a baby crying going "Ohhh no I'm a baby and I'm dead. A living creature dead" And we all just rolled about on the floor laughing. MMMM, unborn foetus,, finger lickin good.

Did you find that funny? Cos I didn't.

"I don't think I've ever seen a Pro-Meat rally"

No but there are a few advertisements over here that have similar messages. One of them mocked Hare Krishnas and said we should eat pork (it had to be taken off air). Another mocked the idea of eating spinach to get iron, you'd better eat red meat. And there's a Hog's Breath cafe or something that calls itself the world's worst vegetarian restaurant (which I think is quite a humorous line) but it does have some pretty horrible sounds of cows dying in the ads.

"If you're implying that it's wrong to kill any living creature, then you should stop walking and driving, because you step on and run over thousands of insects"

Nope I'm implying you shouldn't have a big old laugh about hoping the meat moos in front of vegos, unless they are the type that want to moralise to you. Which I repeat no one on this forum has been.

Death_By_Beebles

on Apr 26, 2005

Being a farmer and a meat eater, I can personally tell you that ALMOST ALL farmers take excellent care of their livestock. To treat them poorly is to create a poor product. Cattle that are sick and starving create beef which is poor in quality, and even worse in taste. Producing a product which will not be bought is not the farmer's job. Also, cattle that aren't well fed don't produce any muscle mass, and therefore aren't worth the investment in the cow to butcher.

Most livestock have clean bedding, medium to high quality fodder, and clean and healthy water. What most vegetarians use to preach about on their soapboxes are the extreme minority of people who don't know what they are doing.

AND, just for emphasis, MOST ALL farmers respect and value the animals that they raise. Don't think that just because we raise them for butcher doesn't mean we don't see the loss, or understand what we are doing to the animal.

Just thought you should know.

Peace,

Beebes

KarmaGirl

on Apr 27, 2005

AND, just for emphasis, MOST ALL farmers respect and value the animals that they raise.

Most ethical vegetarians don't have a problem with the farmers- they have a problem with what happens after you load them up on the semi and transport them off to slaughter.

I don't have a problem with meat eaters. I'm not against ethical means of meat production (ie: not torturing the animal or putting it in pain). Unfortunately, our society doesn't know moderation, so it is extremely difficult to produce the quantity desired and still be ethical.

There are two meats that I find unethical no matter how you look at it (and I have felt this way even before I became a vegetarian): Veal and Lamb.

This discussion reminds me of that scene in "My big fat Greek wedding" where the groom says that he is a vegetarian, then after some consideration, the Aunt says "that's OK, we'll have lamb!"

Gideon MacLeish

on Apr 27, 2005

Although as a semi-vegetarian, I consider vegans to be extremists, there are tremendous health and socioeconomic benefits from eating low on the food chain. You may want to research the cost per serving of raising grain versus raising cattle or chickens.

A full and balanced diet CAN be obtained from a vegan diet; in fact, many vegans are far better educated as to nutrition than the American majority. To obtain complete proteins, iron, and other nutrients commonly obtained from meat in our culture requires skillful menu planning and research into the protein values of grains and proteins.

In the end, there's as little to be gained by writing an article entitled "you stupid vegans!" as there is in writing an article slamming the omnivorous habits of the majority of the world's population. It's a matter of personal choice, and in the end, we all contribute to the natural order of things. Just because you differ in opinion doesn't make you right!

Furry Canary

on Jun 03, 2005

'From what I can see, it is a very unhealthy “belief”.'
I am a vegan of 14 years standing, and a vegetarian from 15 years before that. I am very active, healthy, happy, not overweight, have a low cholesterol level ... so what exactly do you purport to be 'unhealthy' about veganism, just-a-shadow? You are certainly extremely angry about something, but it's difficult to see quite what. Incidentally, I note that you haven't contributed to this thread since posting your intial blog. Could this be because you now realise your attack is untenable? Hmm. Interesting.

'Then on top of that they can’t wear or use silk, down or leather. That's just stupid. Because there is no purpose!'
Veganism is about what you EAT, not what you wear. Inventing a fallacious position and then attacking a group of people for supposedly adhering to it ... well yes, that's stupid all right.

'Another reason people are obviously supposed to eat meat is that we have incisor teeth.'
Absolutely not so, iconoclast. Many vegetarian rodents have far more prominent incisors than you or I.

'Although as a semi-vegetarian, I consider vegans to be extremists'
I'm surprised at this Gideon. Does that mean that your personal habits determine what you consider to be and not to be extreme?
(And by the way, what is a SEMI-vegetarian? Something like a semi-virgin, I should imagine! I can only suppose it means that only half of what you eat is meat!

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Gideon MacLeish

on Jun 03, 2005

Furry,

FIRST OF ALL...I said I CONSIDER the positions of vegans to be extreme. You may not be among those who won't wear lether, silk, etc, because of their veganism, but TRUST ME, they're out there...and they're FAR more vocal than you are.

SECOND of all, as to your snivelling, condescending attitude towards semi-vegetarians, you would know what I'm talking about if your reading extended beyond blogs and the latest Harlequin Romance. Because it obviously does not, I won't waste my time explaining myself.

When and if you want to ask me questions about my dietary practices with respect to me as an individual and without getting on your high horse, I'd be happy to discuss them with you. As long as you'd rather take the position of moral superiority, well, then, I'd just see it as a wasted enterprise.

As a side note, this is EXACTLY why people get pissed at vegans. They have no tolerance for anyone who doesn't agree with their position 100%.

Gideon MacLeish

on Jun 03, 2005

For the record, furry, Vegans are BY DEFINITION extremists. You operate on the fallacious notion that extremism is necessarily a BAD thing!

Furry Canary

on Jun 03, 2005

'SECOND of all, as to your snivelling, condescending attitude towards semi-vegetarians, you would know what I'm talking about if your reading extended beyond blogs and the latest Harlequin Romance. Because it obviously does not, I won't waste my time explaining myself. '

Heaven help us, it was a JOKE Gideon! That's why I put a little laughing face after it. Lighten up, man. It seems that 'only a shadow' isn't the only one around here looking to stick the boot in to vegans for no good reason.

Mr.t (rory)

on Jun 28, 2005

Vegans are really stupid. If we wernt meant to eat meat why are our teeth designed to eat meat. Also if you believe that god said its wrong to eat meat and that he made us, why did he make our teeth and body to digest and eat meat. Its not just we can digest it we where maed too! so you vegans can shove your beens and stuff up your arse!!!!!!!!!

-=DE@THWING=-

on Jun 28, 2005

splong, faboo, qwerdge, eki eki falong flurgh NO!!!!! HA HA! pork is good

stupid fucking omnivores (back

on Mar 05, 2006

Two things animals got on us humans--they don't need a knife to cut up their meat into digestable parts and two, they don't need to cook their meat--go into a field and slaughter a cow with just your fingernails and teeth and eat that beast (and don't even say you are civilized after all those idoitic responses).

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